Philosophy: Reality or fiction: does it matter? [!OT]

**Hell Knight** · November 15th, 2004, 05:38 PM

Okay Wise, sorry.

**Dreamer7000** · November 15th, 2004, 07:12 PM

Getting real interesting, specially that color part. There are these weird books with small bubble like drawings in different colours, and there's a number or a letter hidden there. I always saw them all clearly, I can see color'"s pretty well. I can1t imagine how bad can it be to be color-blind! I couldn't stand it.

The world is mainly a weird thing, and we ppl know so little about it. I bet they will invent something, like dimension gates and such in all kinda Sci-Fi movies, embbe the key to find out true reality or not true or smthng like that, but till then yeah, it doesn't matter... dream or reaility.

**mrwiseman** · November 15th, 2004, 07:23 PM

What of dimensional gates would make reality and illusion matter as opposed to now?

**Dreamer7000** · November 15th, 2004, 07:29 PM

Well, we could discover a new world, or the world (which is reality) in another form, in another dimension maybe. It's just a theory... We may have more realities at the same time, with the same atmosphere, only a lil' different. Then we'd ahve to choose which is reality/illusion or which is not, thus maikng this even more complicated...

**mrwiseman** · November 15th, 2004, 07:55 PM

we could discover a new world, or the world (which is reality)

Nothing would change; that world too could be an illusion.

We may have more realities at the same time, with the same atmosphere, only a lil' different.

Even if we did, it wouldn't matter because you're only conscious in one.

**Xellos** · November 15th, 2004, 08:20 PM

They would both be reality to their inhabitants.

**melfice** · November 15th, 2004, 09:48 PM

MMmmm... trying to give a "scientific" answer to what reality is, i found myself in the same situation. The answer, i don't know, but i have my own idea. Reality is what we have percepted through our senses. Why? Is the easiest way to explain it. Should we not percibe something we then could not affirm it's real or not. But this leads to another question, and as much of us know, to a paradogic one... Should something that exists (could be sensed by our senses) if it IS NOT sensed, does it really exists? ("If a tree falls, and no one hears it, does it make noise?" F. Nietszche)

CG Electrical signals, or true reality, really doesn't matter, then. But why do we keep questioning it then?

**mrwiseman** · November 16th, 2004, 01:15 AM

IRT Melfice:

But why do we keep questioning it then?

Me: Just asking this and pointing out it doesn't matter
Matrix fanboys: Because they think Matrix is deep
Other people: Because they are obsessed with something as simple and unimportant as this.

If a tree falls, and no one hears it, does it make noise?

This is related but somewhat different to whether reality is real. Of course the tree makes noise, such are the laws of the reality (or fiction) we live. Nobody needs to hear it to be real.

The current indeterministic stand of some physicians (Schr?dinger's Cat) looks rather silly to me and many other scientists. This is just too pathetically anthropocentric, and feels like going back to the middle age and religion (where the world was built just for us, etc.).